Crime Control Digest - Volumes 15-16 - Page 7 Minimal taper-crimp, case-mouth was expanded but case was not sized from factory. I'd really like to see some ammo manufacturer make 160 grain hard cast "self defense wadcutter loads" in 38 Special (~800 FPS), 38 Special +P (~950 FPS) and 357 Magnum (~1,100 FPS). It has served me well for about 36 years. Location (City) Las Vegas. American Ammunition and Ballistics - Page 83 38 SPL- Most Accurate Target handload | 1911Forum Found inside – Page 11First , the abso- " target - type " ammunition to that of tion was significantly more difficult lute number of failures does not lend " full - service " loads for purposes of than the .38 Special wadcutter , which itself to a ... In factory ammo, target wadcutters cost at least 2X what 158 gr. I came up with a few loads for plinking and some hotter loads for possible self defense for my snubbies if I run out of higher priced self defense ammo. Self-Defense loads for the .38 Special - Handguns ALL 77 gr 84 gr 85 gr 90 gr 100 gr 105 gr 110 gr 120 gr 125 gr 130 gr 135 gr 140 gr 145 . I've worked up a 38 special load that consists of a Berry's 148 grain double-ended plated wadcutter loaded with 3.3 grains of Titegroup @ an OAL of 1.30". BLACK HILLS AMMUNITION 38 SPECIAL AMMO | Brownells Berry's .38 cal. Saeco #052, 148-grain, #2 alloy, OAL 1.265", showing only the max. Found inside – Page 86Other new Remington centerfire loads are the .308 165-grain PSP, .44 S&W Special 200-grain semi-wadcutter, and the .38 Special ( + P) 158-grain semi- wadcutter that was previously available only to law enforcement agencies. WC over 2.7 grains of Bullseye. The only thing that has ever concerned me at all is the small charges of fast burning powders that most of us use with these. H&G #50 .38 S&W Special. (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. Thread starter. COL and hollow base or not matter, if HIGHER pressure loads are wanted! 38 Special Loads . The same load works great in revolvers as well. Due to different barrel lengths, type of bullet, seating depth, primer type and other factors, you may not get near the FPS charted. My cure for the double ended and hollow base wad cutters in 38 special at 50 yards is the semi-wadcutter. Fun experiment to see if you can replicate Federal Micro HST 38 Special +P with a Berry's Hollow Base Wadcutter loaded backwards. Out of my 6" K38 Masterpiece they are very accurate with low recoil and muzzle flash, a 148 grain soft flat lead projectile going 750 fps is still big medicine. These are not available as empty brass I realized but a local dealer has a case of . Lately I've been trying to perfect my 9mm loads and 45 Colt loads. I loaded up some Hornady 148 gr HBWC in 38 special cases over 2.7 gr of Alliant Bullseye. Min Charge Max Charge Optimal Charge Bullet Make Bullet Type Found inside – Page 26This is a light target load for the .38 special . Never use a dipper for heavy rifle or revolver loadings . Weigh the charges individually . Cartridge cases may stretch beyond maximum length and cause difficult closing of the rifle ... Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. 38 Special Ammo Types We carry a full line of 38 special with more than a dozen different bullet types. 38 Special , and has proven itself over many decades of use. The winning combination of a 38 Special case is why. For those who like a little more punch, try some +P loads using 6.0 grains of Hodgdon's Powder Pistol powder. (Note H110 & W296 are the same as of 2008 as is HP-38 & W231), (IMR 4227 is same as H-4227 if made in Australia), * Blackhorn 209 is a black powder substitute with smokeless like qualities. I also use Bullseye sometimes but my favorite is 3.1 gr of WW 231, does a nice job for punching clean holes in the paper at 25-yards, used to shoot bullseye competion in a local shooting circuit with these out of my Smith 586 weekly. I have always understood that the conventional way to load wadcutters (148 gr.) The thought of a powder puff wadcutter load having enough recoil to cause the bullet to seat deeper is IMHO much more theory than reality, especially given the long bearing length of a wadcutter bullet. Brent375hh likes this post. The bullet is comparatively soft with a Brinell hardness number (BHN) of just over 10, which allows it to expand reliably at .38 Special velocities. Whether you use your revolver for sport, hunting, competition or self-defense, you'll learn something from this book! I used to shoot my S&W model 14 full lug 38 special in a winter indoor league 5+ years ago. Designed to provide match-grade accuracy and . I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Just wanted to share my favorite .38 special load after experimenting with many weights and styles of bullets, and various charges of Titegroup. It is just a guide and the reason you should start under these charges and work up. by rich.tullo 3/28/2016, 10:23 pm. Copyright © 2000-2022 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bullseye is the gold standard for match ammo. When it comes to writing weapons, most authors shoot from the hip--and miss. The Writer's Guide to Weapons will help you hit your target every time. Found inside – Page 7The new Chiefs Special load achieves performance possible only with a lead bullet but without the problems of lead because it uses the 125 - grain S & W semi - wadcutter hollow point bullet . Stricter provisions apply to the use of ... Found inside – Page 43go signed to handle it , scores of the average shooter seem to be much better than .38 scores and compare quite ... bullet and in Wadcutter style , the .38 Special Highway Patrol metal penetrating load , the .45 automatic Police Match ... This Premium Gold Medal ammo is reloadable for those high volume shooters who love to reload their 38 Special ammo. The buffalo bore wadcutter load averaged 863 fps out of the same gun and had the same perceived recoil. Those get seated flush with the case mouth. 2021. Mar 7, 2012. A bullet with a copper gas check or copper plating is best for INDOOR ranges to keep lead vapors out of the air. This is a totally new project to me and I am READY to jump in. Reloading Costs Calculator; Energy, Momentum, Power Factor, and Taylor Knock-out Calculators; How I reload; Reloading Questions; About. Berry's Bullets offers copper plated wadcutters especially suited to indoor shooting ranges; the plating completely covers the entire bullet so that no lead contacts the bore to become airborne. That is enough to load an additional 83 cartridges if you're using 3.0 grains of Hodgdon Titegroup with a 150-grain lead wadcutter. On the other hand, IMR Red and Winchester 572 gave rather wide spreads with both bullets. Clays, Universal, HP38, HS6 and H4895 are products of Hodgdon Powders. Reactions: wagonman, rebs and Kracken McGraw. Found inside – Page 542Type I (22 LR; 38 Special) This armour protects against .22 Long Rifle High-Velocity lead bullets, with nominal masses ... Type III-A (44 Magnum; Submachine Gun 9 mm) This armour protects against 44 magnum, lead semi-wad cutter bullets ... Trying to push them too fast can tear the skirt off the bullet, leaving them in the . A database of .38 Special handloads. I do seem to get the . Even slower powders may provide more consistent speeds and will be tested in the future (No. Found inside – Page 86The potential of addedvelocity ammunition with lighter bullets as giving greater stopping power without excess penetration to ... using .38 Special wadcutter loads only, firing seldom if at all with any form of full power round. 38 Special Ballistics Chart. I prefer the slower burning Unique, and I also use it for .357 magnum, just more of it. Small charge, light crimp. Like 1 . JHP, 158 gr. It shoots amazing in my SP101 2.25" (357M) at i'm estimating 900fps . RN, 158 gr. So far I have not found a powder measure that will reliably drop a 2.7g charge so the old fashion slow way, hand measure each load.. I have always thought that because most of the manuals show them seated flush with the case mouth, that would be the maximum pressure. Pistol; Rifle; Cowboy; GR. I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Found inside – Page 2... just as do the factory " wadcutter ” loads made for .32 long and .38 special revolvers . For aerial shooting , a rather practical form of rifle shooting at tin cans or chunks of wood thrown aloft , it is a fine load . 38 special 148gr full wadcutter. It is a +P rated at 1,069fps(7.7"bbl) and 18,700 CUP. Speer 14, says in a S&W Model 14 with a 6″ barrel, their 148 grain LHBWC seated flush in a Speer case, with a CCI 500 primer, gives 690fps with 2.7 grains of Accurate #2 (improved) and with a maximum velocity of 789fps using 2.9 grains. The thought of a powder puff wadcutter load having enough recoil to cause the bullet to seat deeper is IMHO much more theory than reality, especially given the long bearing length of a wadcutter bullet. 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